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hi sorry i have left it so long to report back,i am now pleased to say that im 95% pain free it lasted about 7 weeks in total, i sill get some very minor pain in my arm and shoulder when i am at work or doing housework but its so much better now i am also not taking any pain killers , i hope you all get better very soon, thank you very much for your kind words .regards sue in still sunny england xx